Here are some thoughts. Maybe there are some arguments here, and some good ideas, but nothing well worked out. I just thought I would write these ideas out:
I was reading "Consciousness and Its Place in Nature" by Chalmers the other day, and I was struck by what I take to be his main argument against the position he calls "type-C" materialism, which is the view that, roughly, while philosophical zombies are conceivable now, eventually through science (or some other a
posteriori means) we will determine that they are not. To use some of Chalmers
terminolgy: under type-C materialism zombies are only
prima facie conceivable, but they are not ideally conceivable. That is, after idealized rational reflection, they will not be conceivable.
What we have is an epistemic gap, which the type-
Cer thinks we can close. Chalmers thinks otherwise. Here is what I take to be his argument (pages are from the draft on his website):
(1) "Physical descriptions of the world characterize the world in terms of structure and dynamics" (p.23)
(2) "From truths about structure and dynamics, one can deduce only further truths about structure and dynamics". (p.23-24)
(3) "Truths about consciousness are not truths about structure and dynamics". (p.24)
I take it that this is supposed to show that consciousness is not physical, in the sense that it means we can not determine phenomenal truths from physical ones. I am willing to grant (1) and (2), since what I will take issue with is (3). (actually, if I am right, (1) and (2) would probably have to be revised, but I am interested for the time being in his
defesne of (3) )What does Chalmers say in defense of it?
He makes an appeal to the usual reasons, namely Jackson's Mary example, the lesson of which is: someone who knows all the physical facts cannot deduce from them the phenomenal facts. But what about the other direction? Does anything of any consequence follow when we worry about deducing
physical truths from
phenomenal ones?
Ignore Mary for a moment. Here is something we don't want to hold in order for (3) to come out true:
(P) all truths about conscious states are phenomenal truths.
Surely (P) is false. It is not a "phenomenal truth" of my conscious experience of the Rickard's Red bottle sitting in front of me (alas, empty) that it exists. That my conscious experience exists is a "phenomenal truth" in a trivial sense (it is a truth of a phenomenal state) does not suffice to make it a phenomenal truth in the sense that, say, my experience is of red is a phenomenal truth: existence is not a
phenomenological truth. It is a metaphysical truth, in this case, about a
phenomenological state. Another example. Clearly the fact that my experience happens at time
t and continues till
t* (when I look away from the bottle) is a temporal, and not a phenomenal truth of my experience. So (P) is false. What about the following:
(P*) All truths about conscious states are
introspectable.
Surely (P*) is false. Perhaps, in principle, for someone with infinite knowledge (P*) is true, but for us mere mortals with our limited epistemic abilities it is false. I can sit here, and quiet easily, introspect the truths that my experience of the bottle in front of me exists, and that it occurs over a certain period of time. Thus, I can
introspect these existence (so to speak) and temporal truths about my experience by simply having other experiences that have these truths as their content.
However, consider truths, seemingly legion in number, that one might not be in an epistemic position to introspect. Before he learns the awful truth of his situation, as Oedipus looked at the Sphinx it would be a truth of his visual experience that it was the experience of the son of Jocasta. But he cannot introspect this truth, not yet anyways. When he does learn this truth, it seems he has learned
physical truths: namely, that he is the son of Jocasta. So, not all truths of our consciousness can be
introspected, not, at least, without looking at the world, and learning physical truths about it!
What is the point of these two principles? Well, they are supposed to draw two morals, which I think are better understood when we think of things in terms of properties, and not "truths": (1) not all properties of conscious states are phenomenal properties, and (2) not all properties of conscious states are
introspectable (independent of knowledge of the world). Both of these relate to what truths about conscious states we can deduce from the first person perspective. That is, there are some truths, properties etc. the knowledge of which we can only deduce from learning truths about the world.
Sit in the armchair as long as you like, and you will find that not all properties of conscious states are phenomenal,
similarly introspect as much as you like and you will find that there are some properties of your conscious states you need to look at the world to learn.
Thus, neither (P) nor (P*) can provide support for (3). We cannot reject the type-C assertion that truths about consciousness are not truths about structure and dynamics for these reasons. This is because the falsity of (P) allows that conscious states can have non-phenomenal truths, so that allows, at least in principle, for conscious truths to be structural or dynamic. The falsity of (P*) allows that there can be some truths about consciousness we have to peak at the world to discover. Thus, in principle, conscious truths might be structural or dynamic even if we cannot
introspect the structure or dynamic nature of consciousness without looking at the truths of the physical world.
But wait? the claim was that we cannot deduce phenomenal truths from physical ones, not the sorts of proposals I have made.
This is true. But here is the rub: if you go along with me and reject (P) and (P*), then why be convinced by things going the other way around? Here is, what I take to be, the
analogous position to take in response to Chalmers actual defense of (3): one needs to know physical AND phenomenal truths in order to deduce the latter from the former. Just as you submitted that we need to know third person, PHYSICAL truths to know all the truths about consciousness, so too in order to know all the physical truths we need to know first person, PHENOMENAL truths as well.
Thus, (3) is false because of:
(4) we can deduce truths about consciousness from physical truths, but this requires knowing truths about consciousness as well.
I am not sure how original this idea is. It seems somehow obvious, and simplistic, in its attack. But as I said at the beginning, I was not promising any well thought out (or defended) view. Just some arguments and stuff.